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imgOfflineGuennadi V. Vanine
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Orthogonal Toolbox Interoperability
Posted: 05 Jun 05 6:28 AM
Is it be possible to Drag&Drop Orthogonal Toolbox on other tools (since it is floatable) like Infragon.
It is just damn stupid(*) curiosity, I am really interested to know whether Infragon is interoperable with VEA, just now and urgently (I posted such topic in VEA's forum)

But m.b. both questions are interconnected to whether Infragon usses the same API

thanks god, i.e. Scot, saving the ORM cause in all EMEA by patiently answering ALL questions, Геннадий Владимирович Ванин (aka Guennadi Vladimirovitch Vanine or Vanin Gennady )
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Re: Orthogonal Toolbox Interoperability
Posted: 05 Jun 05 6:47 AM

Infagon is a different product and doesn't use the same engine as VEA. The only possible interoperability between it and the toolbox would be if you could modify the toolbox output (xml) into some form acceptable by Infagon for import.

 

Scot.

imgOfflineGuennadi V. Vanine
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Re: Orthogonal Toolbox Interoperability
Posted: 05 Jun 05 7:26 AM
Yeaaah....
But the first impresion is that they do not use the same ORM notation, cf.
http://www.mattic.com/QTI/Split%20labeltypes.gif

http://www.mattic.com/Infagon.html tells:
"Infagon supports the FCO-IM method 
( http://www.fco-im.com/?session=FCD6D763C24742CD92A4CD87FA03FA5B )

for information analysis (a sort of dialect of ORM)."

But the only reference is on Quick Tour from which I cannot understand the dialect's difference and how can I interoperate it with VEA's ORM dialect.

Again the war of dialects?

thanks god, i.e. Scot, saving the ORM cause in all EMEA by patiently answering ALL questions, Геннадий Владимирович Ванин (aka Guennadi Vladimirovitch Vanine or Vanin Gennady )
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Re: Orthogonal Toolbox Interoperability
Posted: 05 Jun 05 7:38 AM

I think of ORM as a class of modeling languages (FORML, FCO-IM, NIAM, among others) much like ER is a class of languages (Barker, IDEF1x, IE, etc.). ORM languages are identified by their ability to model objects playing roles in fact types rather than attributes-entities-relationships.

Infagon supports FCO-IM which is similar to NIAM, the precursor to FORML (Formal Object Role Modeling Language), which is supported by VEA. There are many similarities but a few differences. For example, FCO-IM creates Entity types (which have a different name) by objectifying a unary fact type.

When most people say "ORM" they mean FORML, and I suspect this in the context in which the above quote can be taken.

Scot.

 

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Re: Orthogonal Toolbox Interoperability
Posted: 05 Jun 05 8:36 AM Modified By Guennadi V. Vanine  on 6/5/2005 8:44:55 AM)
"I think of ORM as a class of modeling languages (FORML, FCO-IM, NIAM, among others) much like ER is a class of languages (Barker, IDEF1x, IE, etc.)."

M.b. FORML, FCO-IM are subclasses |X;'-((( of NIAM(?)

Sounds 2 b obvious but for me it was not that all so simple due to interference with other issues,  especially for ER notations since I was not DBA/data-oriented (rather UML one). I even "thought" IDEF1X is coceptual-level notation! At least something like this is used by Len Silverston for "Peoples and Organizations" model, or not, never mind.
Thanx Scot!

thanks god, i.e. Scot, saving the ORM cause in all EMEA by patiently answering ALL questions, Геннадий Владимирович Ванин (aka Guennadi Vladimirovitch Vanine or Vanin Gennady )
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